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« on: December 04, 2017, 11:52:19 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2017, 05:07:18 AM »

When people tell me helmets don't increase your safety, I always make them this challenge.
I'll put on my helmet and you take a pool cue and hit me in the head as hard as you can.
Then it's my turn on your bare head.
I've never had anyone take me up on the offer.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2017, 05:48:14 AM »

EZMark, Comparing a risk probability to a sure injury as evidence isn't a convincing argument
I.E. I sit in my auto and you hit the door as hard as you can with a sledge hammer. Then let me hit you with the same hammer while you sit on your motorcycle. Will you accept my challenge as it proves you should not ride a bike?


I'm for helmets!!!!!!!! Not saying the helmets aren't safer.
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2017, 08:18:55 PM »

Good read! 

"Defensive riding is every rider’s best shot at getting home in one piece. Stay out of other drivers’ blind spots. Slow down approaching intersections. Create and maintain a safety buffer in traffic by following at a safe distance and waving tailgaters by. Leave yourself room to escape if the sh*t comes down"

What he said ........

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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2017, 08:25:32 PM »

When people tell me helmets don't increase your safety, I always make them this challenge.
I'll put on my helmet and you take a pool cue and hit me in the head as hard as you can.
Then it's my turn on your bare head.
I've never had anyone take me up on the offer.


Yeah Mark ... same thing is true about a concealed carry gun.  Most ridicule the idea of a small caliber "mouse gun".  I've yet to find anyone who will volunteer to let me shoot them with my 22lr.:-)

Sure IF I'm in a gun fight, I'd prefer a 44 mag. but I cant carry and conceal that thing discreetly.

As far as helmets go .... I agree with the author.  But hey this is America ... people got a right to be wrong:-)

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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2017, 09:18:23 PM »

... take a pool cue and hit me in the head as hard as you can.

... hit you with the same hammer...

Pool cues and sledge hammers... One must be careful browsing this thread; I'll pass on these challenges.

The best I could hope for is a swing and a myth from both of you, but the probability is probably quite low.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2017, 11:42:14 PM »

Pool cues and sledge hammers... One must be careful browsing this thread; I'll pass on these challenges.

The best I could hope for is a swing and a myth from both of you, but the probability is probably quite low.

What if I take off my glasses first???? Come on and be a sport...you don't even have to disagree...just accept the challenge..... 
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2017, 02:06:29 AM »

I once played eight ball with a drunk guy in Thailand.  The drunk hit the Cue ball right off the table when it proceeded to hit a wall and bounced back hitting the guy in the head. After the ball hit him in the head he went out to my scooter, put on my helmet and came back in to finish the game.  He said eight ball was to dangerous to play without a helmet on!
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2017, 02:21:09 AM »

There ya go @gurock1 ,
A direct comparison and results of risk assessment! I'm betting he never got hit in the head again, BUT had he had it on it would have definitely saved him the pain.
I guessing you continued the game without a helmet and had zero injury though, you lucky stiff....
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2017, 05:09:22 AM »

I’ve always challenged the loud pipes. If you’re THAT into safety that you buy loud pipes, then why not ATTGAT, florecent vests, and full helmets? I’d love see one with riding with a high viz jacket.  Lol.
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2017, 09:38:44 PM »

The BMW dealer in St Louis had stickers that said "If loud pipes saves lives imagine what a helmet and protective gear could do".
BTW, I finished the eight ball without getting hit by a cue ball and Mike finished the game safely with my helmet on.  If I can ever salvage the hard drive with many of my photos on it I actually have pictures of Mike playing pool with my helmet on.
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2017, 04:37:39 AM »

Whenever I hear "loud pipes save lives" I immediately have to ask, if that were true wouldn't the folks who sell loud pipes commission studies to "prove" it ... and plaster it all over their advertising?  Of course they would, but they don't because they can't.

And, as the article pointed out, anecdotal evidence does not prove anything no matter how many anecdotes one produces.  For every incident where a rider claims loud pipes saved him, how many can be found where loud pipes did not?  POOF !  If anecdotes count, there goes your "proof".
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2017, 01:03:47 AM »

I'll take being T-boned by a car with my helmet and armored jacket than without. Load pipes just come across as annoying and a nuisance to anyone around them. Never understood the desire to ride something that requires you to wear ear plugs unless it's a jet fighter.

Great article. Thanks for posting.

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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2017, 04:59:43 PM »

I think everyone is misunderstanding my cue stick challenge.
If someone wants to look me in the face and say "I choose not to wear a helmet because I live in a free country and it's my right to take whatever risks I want" I will 100% stand by his right to do so.
However, if he's spouting off that wearing a helmet provides no protection and in some cases they argue that a helmet will cause injury, then that is just absurd. I issue the challenge to illustrate their absurdity with more absurdity.
For the record, noone has ever taken me up on the challenge.
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2017, 06:21:51 PM »

Mark- Mark Twain once said "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2017, 06:34:52 PM »

Life has provided me with numerous opportunities to be exposed to loud noises (mostly from machinery and music); without hearing protection. Music was probably my main nemesis as I was most happy when I could feel the music. I now need hearing aids. Therefore, I wear ear plugs when I ride to help retain what hearing I have left. Noise doesn’t need to be that loud to cause a problem as exposure to wind noise can have a negative affect on hearing. I would encourage all to take precautions with your hearing just as you do with safety riding gear.

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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2017, 05:20:51 AM »

Well this treads right on what I always empahsized, and that’s riding safety.  First off, I’d like to say that loud pipes are like emergency vehicle sirens.  When you start hearing them, you have no idea where they’re coming from.  IMHO, loud pipes only serve to annoy people.

Helmets:  I had an interesting conversation with a fellow one time who said he only wore his helmet when he was on the road, since the speeds were higher.  He said he didn’t wear his helmet in town in traffic because speeds were slower.  I let him know that this was ridiculous.  I’d read an article, I think from MSF, that stated that due to traffic conditions and the closeness of other vehicles, that a rider has a 60 times greater chance of needing the services of his/her helmet in urban traffic than when out on the road, even at elevated speeds.  Makes sense to me. 

Another “myth” about helmets comes from the no-helmet advocates, and they say that wearing a helmet restricts their peripheral vision.  This is nonsense, because no manufacturer of motorcycle safet helmets can market a helmet with less than a 200 degree facial opening, and human peripheral vision is no greater than 180 degrees.  To ride while depending on only peripheral vision is lunacy.  Your head should be on a swivel at all times.  And wearing those ridiculous beanie cap toy “helmets” provides almost zero protection, and absolutely zero protection for your face!

ATGATT:  ATGATT is cheap insurance, and it’s sure a lot less painful to replace an abraided jacket or boots or gloves than it is to be in the hospital while they abrade dirt and rocks out of your skin, and it doesn’t leave any scars.  My motto was alway, “Dress for the fall, not for the ride.”

Risk assessment, as pertains to motorcycle riding is hard because there are so many variables.  It depends on the style of riding, even the style of the motorcycle.  And how about rider experience and skill?  In the end, no one can afix hard numbers or percentages, or to even calculate the risk to a rider.  How about a rider who is very skilled, but doesn’t take proper care of their bike, like tires, servicing chains, forks, shocks, all those things that keep you upright.

Finally, no matter what you do or wear, there is nothing that can be done to make riding safe.  It’s always a “calculated” risk, assumed by the rider, anc can only be made safer.  But not safe.
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2017, 08:16:20 AM »

<snip>
Finally, no matter what you do or wear, there is nothing that can be done to make riding safe.  It’s always a “calculated” risk, assumed by the rider, anc can only be made safer.  But not safe.

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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2017, 02:50:40 PM »

<snip>
Finally, no matter what you do or wear, there is nothing that can be done to make riding safe.  It’s always a “calculated” risk, assumed by the rider, anc can only be made safer.  But not safe.

Well said.


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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2017, 07:04:11 PM »

In my year or two living in Thailand, one thing I noticed was that the Thai people. who mostly get where they are going on two wheels, have an inordinate number of skin rash scars.  They have a helmet law that gets satisfied with a garbage beanie and no one wears any other gear.  It's especially sad when seeing so many young pretty ladies with road rash scars on their bodies.
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« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2017, 08:16:14 PM »

In my year or two living in Thailand, one thing I noticed was that the Thai people. who mostly get where they are going on two wheels, have an inordinate number of skin rash scars.  They have a helmet law that gets satisfied with a garbage beanie and no one wears any other gear.  It's especially sad when seeing so many young pretty ladies with road rash scars on their bodies.

The fact of the matter is that ATGATT just isn't practical when riding equates to basic transportation. The time it would take to fulfill that safety function would, in most cases, take longer than the trip itself! Plus, riding in areas where scooters & bikes are the norm (and in some cases the majority) is a whole lot safer than the streets of the US.
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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2017, 06:49:46 PM »

While I recommend that one ride ATGATT, I don’t always follow my own advice. As Expat stated, some times it is not practical to fully gear up. That said, I still wear most of the gear all the time. Ride, ride at your own risk and enjoy.
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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2017, 02:35:14 AM »

The logic behind spending $500+ on a set of loud, obnoxious pipes out of personal safety concerns, then spending  $20 on a helmet that will only keep the rain off your head escapes me completely. I've heard it said, "If you have a $20 head, buy a $20 helmet" 
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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2017, 02:10:18 PM »

While I recommend that one ride ATGATT, I don’t always follow my own advice. As Expat stated, some times it is not practical to fully gear up. That said, I still wear most of the gear all the time. Ride, ride at your own risk and enjoy.

I am pretty much the same.  I've always used a full face helmet.  Not always good about jacket and gloves. 
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« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2017, 06:06:50 PM »

The logic behind spending $500+ on a set of loud, obnoxious pipes out of personal safety concerns, then spending  $20 on a helmet that will only keep the rain off your head escapes me completely. I've heard it said, "If you have a $20 head, buy a $20 helmet" 
So, I guess we over protect our bodies?  (worth $5? rounding up)
https://www.thoughtco.com/worth-of-your-elements-3976054

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« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2017, 06:09:16 PM »

Damn!! My last helmet cost me over $350!!!!
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« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2017, 06:13:31 PM »

Damn!! My last helmet cost me over $350!!!!
Though I'm new here, I'm very confident that your value has previously been established above the elemental basics!!!!!!
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« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2017, 10:04:08 PM »

I've had 2 helmets that bare what probably would have been life ending incidents. Maybe should have kept them as reminders but junked them instead.
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« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2017, 03:33:46 PM »

I've had 2 helmets that bare what probably would have been life ending incidents. Maybe should have kept them as reminders but junked them instead.

Same here.... or at the very least had hamburger for a face afterwards.

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« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2017, 07:10:04 PM »

I've lost count.  That's not to mention that my helmet has probably saved my face from some painful road grit, bugs, and junk.  I think that more then anything it's a matter of habit.  If you go through a small amount of pain and suffering to get used to ATGATT soon you feel naked without it.  

A certain amount of what changed my habits was that a few years ago I made a mistake with my health insurance and somehow it was cancelled for a few months.  Every time I'd get on the bike I'd think of how bad even a broken bone would be without insurance and boy I got more careful.  Since then I've only had one get off in probably something like 75,000 miles.  That get off was caused by a drunk in a pick up truck going on the wrong side of the road through a mountain turn.

I know especially on a hot sunny day ATGATT seems so oppressive looking but if you actually do it the only time it gets oppressive is standing still.

I somehow think that I want to tell everyone a recent and personal story.  Back in the early summer when I had the get off in Kentucky due to the pickup truck on the wrong side, I cut my shin.  It was a little deep but didn't seem to bad, so I pretty much ignored it.  Over time while trying to get it to heal it became infected.  Also consider that I am diabetic and these cuts are harder to get to heal.  Anyway in October after four rounds of anti-bio-tics the infection wasn't entirely healed and somehow spread into the bone of my jaw underneath the bridge of my front middle tooth.   This caused two more rounds of anti-bio-tics, several weeks of some of the worst imaginable pain and I lost the bridge which is still open.  The infection is now healed, but I still need to do dental work that will involve substantial pain and probably 5 to 10k in cost.

I guess the point of the story is that these things have a way of sneaking up on you and that the precautions are a bit goofy looking and such, but the pain that can be saved is a big issue.
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