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« on: November 03, 2017, 04:41:55 PM »


It's official in the US!

http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Scooters/Products/Burgman%20400/2018/AN400A.aspx#Overview
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2017, 04:55:31 PM »

With a $8,500 price tag it better do more than ride around on 2 wheels. The 650 ABS is only $2,000 more.
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2017, 01:13:41 PM »

Thanks for the article.   Good to see it on USA ground.


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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2017, 07:02:38 AM »

Those f#@kers just cannot put a color on those things, can they?
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2017, 07:30:43 AM »

Those f#@kers just cannot put a color on those things, can they?
Nope, they use all the pretty paint up on the models they send us.   
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2018, 12:06:44 AM »

I've had a Burgman 400 since early 2008 and this past December received my first ever "Suzuki Magazine".  Wonder how it gets into the hands of potential new buyers?  Anyway, here are the Burgman 400 pages that were in it.  They talk about a "slimmer tail" but still tout it'll hold two (not specified) helmets. Our 2008 model will hold two modular helmets ... wonder if that's still true.






Zoom once the images load and you can read their text.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2018, 11:21:25 PM »

REALLY? It's an ancient design, with cobbled-together updates like a bigger 15" front tire, but still has the dumb 13" rear. Still has that poor clutch design, small 260mm rotors, cheap floating calipers like on a Chinese scooter, only 4.3' of front travel and a MASSIVE "water heater" exhaust. With only a 1-year warranty...

Oh, and it weighs a PORKY 475 POUNDS!

For $2,500 LESS, the Kymco Xciting 400i, the best-selling mid-sized scoot in Europe that KILLED the Xmax 400iABS, SYM 400iABS, and Piaggio 350iABS in a four-way comparison test, is:

1) FASTER
2) Handles in a different LEAGUE than the slug Burgman
3) Has AMAZING 280mm rotors with radial-mount calipers, not old, cheap barely adequate "scooter" brakes
4) Has a 14" rear tire for much better handling, braking, etc.
5) Has 4.9" of front travel vs 4.3" to soak-up the bumps
6) Has a nicer exhaust system vs "water heater"
7) Has a "triple-tree" front end like a motorcycle (as do the Xmax400, SYM400 and Piaggio 400), vs the obsolete cheap scooter front end on the Burgman (& Majesty)
8) Maintenance is super-easy, with valve rocker arms like on a Toyota 22r engine

All this and IT'S $2,500 LESS, WITH A TWO-YEAR WARRANTY (not one) AND WEIGHS 50 POUNDS LESS!!!

Oh, to be fair, the Burgman can carry more crap...

OLD Design on Burgman:



NEW design on KYMCO:

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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2018, 11:36:25 PM »

New three-way comparison in Spain in December, 2017. Kymco 400i ABS, Suzuki 400i ABS and Yamaha 400i ABS. Kymco still beat them both, who tied for second behind it...

https://motos.coches.net/noticias/kymco-xciting-400i-suzuki-burgman-400-yamaha-x-max_400-comparativo-2017




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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2018, 05:39:47 AM »

REALLY? It's an ancient design, with cobbled-together updates like a bigger 15" front tire, but still has the dumb 13" rear. Still has that poor clutch design, small 260mm rotors, cheap floating calipers like on a Chinese scooter, only 4.3' of front travel and a MASSIVE "water heater" exhaust. With only a 1-year warranty...

Oh, and it weighs a PORKY 475 POUNDS!

For $2,500 LESS, the Kymco Xciting 400i, the best-selling mid-sized scoot in Europe that KILLED the Xmax 400iABS, SYM 400iABS, and Piaggio 350iABS in a four-way comparison test, is:

1) FASTER
2) Handles in a different LEAGUE than the slug Burgman
3) Has AMAZING 280mm rotors with radial-mount calipers, not old, cheap barely adequate "scooter" brakes
4) Has a 14" rear tire for much better handling, braking, etc.
5) Has 4.9" of front travel vs 4.3" to soak-up the bumps
6) Has a nicer exhaust system vs "water heater"
7) Has a "triple-tree" front end like a motorcycle (as do the Xmax400, SYM400 and Piaggio 400), vs the obsolete cheap scooter front end on the Burgman (& Majesty)
8) Maintenance is super-easy, with valve rocker arms like on a Toyota 22r engine

All this and IT'S $2,500 LESS, WITH A TWO-YEAR WARRANTY (not one) AND WEIGHS 50 POUNDS LESS!!!

Oh, to be fair, the Burgman can carry more crap...



My thoughts on your list. (Of course others will vary from you and I)
1) It's a scooter. Pfffft. Why you still on a scooter if speed is so important(my assumption as you listed it first)? Get a sport bike. Point is nil.
2) Handling is relative(location, roads, bridges, etc). Great for you, maybe not others. Still a valid point as a preference.
3) Adequate is the key word.
4) Yep, larger tires are a positive for the most part. But what is this extra braking, etc part? Do you mean tire patch for grip? Larger diameter doesn't equate to more width.
5) Longer fork travel is positive. After market suspension is flourishing on scooters and motorcycles.
6) Personal preference again.
7) Then why don't they also upgrade to the double wishbone instead of the obsolete triple tree if we need to be state of the art? Just nit picking here.
8) Good to always have easy maintenance!!!!! Great point.

Saving money is great $2500 is great difference for consideration.
50 pounds lighter is very important to some. For me, 50 pounds is a nil point. I'm in the minority here.

To be fair, luggage capacity is a concern of the majority of scooter owners when you read the forums. But you know that, that's why you made the statement.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2018, 11:09:36 PM »

It's all a matter of value received. Better brakes = safer ride. More power in the same bike segment = better response and safer maneuvers. Lighter = more efficient across the board. Crisper handling also = safer.

Suzuki, unlike all their maxi-scooter competitors, has foregone substantive redesign and improvement to the 400 and 650. Mostly it's fine-tuning and cosmetics, and repairing glaring shortcomings, whatever can be done at minimum cost. Compared to their competition, they are small-potatoes, sales-wise.

Ditching the old-style front end would require doing what Yamaha did...stop making the Majesty completely and replace it with a completely new bike, the Xmax 400i. Suzuki is just going to milk both bikes' loyal customer base until they don't make any more money. The designs and tooling are so old they long ago recouped all their development costs.

Everyone else has decided to stay in the game, constantly developing new bikes and designs in an increasingly popular and competitive segment of the market.

Why buy older and outdated, when you can get better for much less money? Simple economics...
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2018, 02:26:59 AM »

And all this time I've been purchasing based on a combination of storage, ergonomics, dealer availability, dependability, and my own personal preference.
I should be purchasing based on sport performance, new technological features compared to others, and comparative cost(valued received).
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2018, 08:28:52 AM »


New Articles. Enjoy!

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2018/02/2018-suzuki-burgman-400-md-first-ride/

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/suzuki/2018-suzuki-burgman-400-first-ride-review.html
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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2018, 06:51:31 PM »



I read both of those reviews a few days ago and even though I don't own a scooter anymore I just had to eyeroll both of them as the first paragraph in each starts the same way maxi-scooter reviews were written fifteen years ago.  As in, scooters aren't real motorcycles blah, blah, blah but they are better now blah, blah, blah, I don't usually ride a scooter but blah, blah, blah.  I think the writers may have actually regressed over the intervening years.
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2018, 10:56:41 PM »

One more review: http://ridermagazine.com/2018/02/10/2018-suzuki-burgman-400-first-ride-review/?ajs_uid=2793B0361467F3V
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2018, 04:06:43 AM »



Nice article! Thanks for sharing Joan!
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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2018, 08:01:48 PM »

Went to a local dealer to sit and see the New Burgman 400. I was surprised to see that the rear wheel wasn't as small as I thought but was disappointed that the storage was very small. The bike felt and look longer and thinner than the previous Burgman 400. The bike looked longer and thinner.
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2018, 01:12:18 AM »

2018 vs 2017

The '18 is:
35mm longer
60mm thinner
45mm taller seat
same ground clearance.
7kg lighter

and has:
.25L more fuel
20L less storage under the seat.

Edit: Time for a Shad 58X on the back  :D
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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2018, 07:25:38 AM »

2018 vs 2017

The '18 is:
35mm longer
60mm thinner
45mm taller seat
same ground clearance.
7kg lighter

and has:
.25L more fuel
20L less storage under the seat.

Edit: Time for a Shad 58X on the back  :D

I've got a Shad on the back of my X10 and had a Monokey on the back of my '99 Kawasaki.

The Shad weights almost as much as they advise it should carry so, I'd guess 1/2 the weight is the top box.

The Monokey is way lighter and still going 18 years later after being left on the bike all those years.


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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2018, 03:26:48 PM »

2018 vs 2017

The '18 is:
35mm longer
60mm thinner
45mm taller seat
same ground clearance.
7kg lighter

and has:
.25L more fuel
20L less storage under the seat.

Edit: Time for a Shad 58X on the back  :D

Always compromises with redesigns from one model generation to another.  Would love to acquire the new '18 Burgman 400 for all the weight & size reduction reasons, not to mention the improved fuel mileage and better bottom end torque.  However, the smaller underseat storage space and higher seat height are game stoppers for us.  Seriously looking at a near new, previous gen 2016.  Certainly not as sleek as the latest ones but has all of the feature/advantages that are important to us. What to do ... what to do ...
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2018, 03:10:45 AM »

And all this time I've been purchasing based on a combination of storage, ergonomics, dealer availability, dependability, and my own personal preference.
I should be purchasing based on sport performance, new technological features compared to others, and comparative cost(valued received).


That's the reason Apple iphone users upgrade every time...
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