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« on: August 05, 2017, 01:17:02 AM »

Anyone changed the front wheels bearings on their Burgman 400?  How much fun is it gonna be?
Replacing front tire which had unusual wear pattern. I thought it might be the forks. But they seem fine.  Bearing making that tale tale noise.


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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2017, 03:28:46 AM »

Never did it in the Burgman but I did it on front and back wheels on my Bet & Win.  With the proper tools it wasn't to bad. 


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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2017, 04:43:07 PM »

Biggest problem is getting the old bearings out.  As Maggie said, the proper tools make the job easier.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2017, 05:07:19 PM »

Also if memory serves me correct I borrowed the wheel bearing tool from AutoZone on their free loaner program.
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2017, 12:53:34 AM »

Tool and bearings/ seals on the way ...

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B072MPH6YC?psc=1

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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2017, 01:00:22 AM »

Yeah!! Good luck!


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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2017, 01:11:49 PM »

Ah, another Burgman adventure awaits:-)

In thinking back ... since May 2013, for 3 Burgmans, with around 53K miles combined ... IIRC this is only 2nd actual repair.  Had to replace headlight bulbs on my 2006 400.  Now these wheel bearings on the 2007 400. Everything else I've done has been maintence related or accessory related.  IIRC, and there is a chance, a good chance I don't.

But pretty darn good run.  Burgmans have been the most reliable of any bike I've owned.

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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2017, 04:19:13 PM »

I would think the headlight and bearings are pretty typical maintenance as well.   IMHO
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2017, 04:43:54 AM »

I would think the headlight and bearings are pretty typical maintenance as well.   IMHO

Yeah true enough, but my 400 only has 23K.  Stuff happens I reckon.

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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2017, 12:31:23 PM »

I would think the headlight and bearings are pretty typical maintenance as well.   IMHO

Yeah true enough, but my 400 only has 23K.  Stuff happens I reckon.

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I chalk it up to moving parts :-)

About same time when my Bet & Win needed new bearings.  I checked it off to a little scoot getting that many miles in a few years, being a year round rider in all weather conditions to work etc.    When I gave my little scoot away it had about 38,000 miles.  Only issue I had was two speedometer cables (odd yes but cheap and easy to replace)

The only scoot that I've had leave me stranded is the TMax with the fuel pump issuse.
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2017, 04:51:18 AM »

Done and done. Yup, not that difficult with the blind hole bearing puller.  All in all the Burgman 400 got a pretty good going over.

New front tire, new wheel bearings, cleaned brake rotors, pads. Cleaned CVT, CVT filter, rollers. Deglazed clutch pads.
New rear brake pads.  Replaced K&N air filter with OEM air filter just to see any difference. 15 mile test ride. Everything stayed together.

Puzzle. Still got a little noise when rotating the front wheel.  Does not do it with the calipers off the wheel.  Not a grinding noise, more like a clunk.   Quite and smooth with calipers off.  Bolt them on, spin the wheel ... little clunk.  Any ideas? 

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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2017, 08:13:36 AM »

Don't forget to look at the disk and lines coming off the calipers.
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2017, 05:44:07 PM »

Went for a 50 mile ride early this morning. You do not hear any noise while riding. Got home jacked up the front end and spun the wheel. Jus a slight little click of a noise.  Brake pad I guess.  Rotors, or disc, and lines are all ok.  Must be a little play in the caliper makeup?

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2017, 03:02:27 PM »

Likely the pad moving just a little.  Did you put the shims behind the pads?
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2017, 04:27:51 PM »

Likely the pad moving just a little.  Did you put the shims behind the pads?

Yup.  I didn't put on new pads. Old one were 70%.  I just cleaned them up and reinstalled. Actually didn't remove the shims.

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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2017, 01:21:18 AM »

We had a similiar noise issue over on the Silverwing600 forum awhile back. The issue turned out to be the caliper pistons weren't retracting completely to their "rest" position. And while, at 23k miles, your Burgy shouldn't have that kind of an issue, maybe a judicious spritzing with brake cleaner might help. Well my 2¢ anyway.

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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2017, 06:31:52 AM »

We had a similiar noise issue over on the Silverwing600 forum awhile back. The issue turned out to be the caliper pistons weren't retracting completely to their "rest" position. And while, at 23k miles, your Burgy shouldn't have that kind of an issue, maybe a judicious spritzing with brake cleaner might help. Well my 2 anyway.

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I just wonder if there is even such a thing as "retracting" to a rest position. The
Honda Reflex front brakes for example, sometimes make a swishing sound after
using the front brakes (or the rear brake hard. Linked braking also applies pressure
to the front only using one of the front brake pistons) The pistons do not retract,
but rather just stop applying pressure to the pads when lever pressure is stopped...
so the pads may still lightly rub, but that is completely normal.
 
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2017, 04:39:27 PM »

Chiming in to expand on what Cosmic Jumper wrote.

Drum brake shoes have springs which pull them off the drums.  In comparison, disc brake pads are in constant contact with the rotor.  The "swooshing" sound is the only hint of this.  Maybe this is your noise?

"Quiet and smooth with calipers off" must mean brake noise.  Honestly, I would ride it a little more and re-check.  Maybe the pads need more time to re-bed after being disturbed.  Did you just spray each caliper with cleaner?  If you actually removed the pads from the calipers, were all the clips present and correctly reinstalled?

Is the caliper design on the 400 similar to the 650?  Where the caliper body (with the pistons) slides on the carrier (the part which literally bolts to the bike) on two pins?  Caliper bodies can stick when lubrication on the pins dries out / washes away.  Maybe the pins need cleaning and fresh synthetic lubricant (e.g. Sylglide, and not much of it).  Watch LeDude videos on Youtube to learn how to take apart calipers (it's easy).

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2017, 12:23:23 PM »

Honestly, I would ride it a little more and re-check.  Maybe the pads need more time to re-bed after being disturbed.  ....
Is the caliper design on the 400 similar to the 650?  Where the caliper body (with the pistons) slides on the carrier (the part which literally bolts to the bike) on two pins?  Caliper bodies can stick when lubrication on the pins dries out / washes away.  Maybe the pins need cleaning and fresh synthetic lubricant ...

Haven't had time to ride this week. The noise was better after a short 50 mile ride last Friday.
 I do think they just need to re-seat, so to speak.  

The calipers on the 400 are the same or very similar to the 650 calipers.  When I bought the 400 July of 2016 it had evidence of some sort of leak on the right side of the wheel.  I initially thought it was a brake line leak.  But the brake fluid never went down in the reservoir.  Then I suspected a fork leak. Never have been able to detect a fork leak in 8K miles. I reckon it was the bearing slinging grease out?

 Took it all apart ... cleaned ... sanded down the rotor and pads ... lubed and reassembled.  The pins the pads ride on may need a bit more attention?  For now it's a minor tiny click/clunk. If it doesn't get any worse I'll live with it.  

Brakes function as well as before. Perhaps a little better.  But I've always felt like the front brakes on this 400 were a little soft.  I've got new pads in the tool box if I don't feel comfortable with theses after a few more miles.

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