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« on: August 27, 2012, 02:35:54 PM »

I am re-pasting Steve's route here as people were asking me about the Centralia/Covered Bridge/Knoebel's Ride.


Part 1

Steel Steeds to Centralia, via Elysburg:

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=PA-405+S&daddr=40.8583468,-76.7615358+to:40.8669148,-76.738332+to:N40+52.24++W76+43.39+to:N40+52.63+W76+30.33+to:N40+52.69+W76+29.00+to:N40+50.85+W76+30.44+to:Centre+St&hl=en&ll=40.838749,-76.500549&spn=0.30078,0.65918&sll=40.794838,-76.344337&sspn=0.15049,0.32959&geocode=FfO8cAId5yxr-w%3BFepybwIdQbZs-ynVz7uYQWrPiTEZ3ERsPH55bA%3BFWKUbwId5BBt-ykPGKHPLmrPiTEz-EJwmmWZBQ%3BFQujbwIdIUxt-w%3BFW-8bwIdZJ5w-w%3BFVfAbwId-_Rw-w%3BFYxIbwIdO5dw-w%3BFTKebgIdqBFz-w&mra=dme&mrsp=7&sz=12&via=1,2&t=m&z=11

The reason for the change is the dense traffic in and around Knoebel's. Location "C" is a covered bridge in the middle of the amusement park. This area is heavily congested with vehicular and pedestrian traffic during operating hours. Passing through this location at about 9:00 AM is preferable to the 11:00 AM opening time, when a group of riders would easily get disconnected. The covered bridges at locations "D" and "E" are on a convenient course returning to Route 54. We'll pass near these bridges on the second segment from Centralia back to Knoebel's, but then the general traffic flow will be more important.

I'll also need to confirm the covered bridge at location B is still available to vehicle traffic. We passed through this area in late July, intending to come back through to check it out. Circumstances intervened; we never made it back, so another preview ride is necessary. Many of the roads in the area are still in poor condition since the powerful storms last September; counting on what I saw in the area last year isn't always a reliable indicator of current conditions.



Part 2

Centralia to Knoebel's:

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Centralia,+PA&daddr=40.899244,-76.3737087+to:N40+54.08+W76+23.67+to:40.9204621,-76.4429539+to:N40+54.63++W76+26.40+to:N40+54.40++W76+27.59+to:N40+54.38++W76+28.37+to:N40+52.69++W76+29.00+to:40.8596509,-76.4894969+to:N40+52.05++W76+30.49+to:40.8768701,-76.5104611+to:Knoebles+Pkwy&hl=en&sll=40.868807,-76.49085&sspn=0.037581,0.082397&geocode=FZ6fbgId6CJz-ynPxJT-vozFiTHDbnh_TuZ7Dw%3BFawScAIdNKFy-ym3dh8jMInFiTFcRMpRQf_C0Q%3BFdUacAId_E9y-w%3BFY5lcAIdt5Jx-ylzhX4czYnFiTFJPXlW_XpM6Q%3BFaQ-cAIdQJ5x-w%3BFasvcAIdx1Bx-w%3BFV0ucAId_x1x-w%3BFVfAbwId-_Rw-w%3BFQJ4bwId6Nxw-yk91yJiu2HPiTHuklvZEMn8nA%3BFayWbwId-ZNw-w%3BFUa7bwIdA4tw-ylpMvpremHPiTFDsqzVQezWNg%3BFXXJbwIdkahw-w&mra=mrv&via=1,3,8,10&t=m&z=14

All of the changes from the previous version are at the end of the second segment, near Knoebel's. You may note that location "D" in the first segment and location "F" in the second segment are the same covered bridge. Recently, I was attempting to not use any of the same roads twice, but group safety and cohesiveness was a greater goal. By this time, Knoebel's will be open and traffic density will be growing.

Approaching Knoebel's on Route 487 and making the hard right turn on to Knoebel's Parkway leading to the motorcycle parking at location "H" is important. The "hard right" turn looks much more challenging on the map than on the road. RVs, trailers, etc. easily navigated this turn; there is plenty of room for riders of any skill level. Knoebel's Parkway quickly splits into two incoming lanes leading to the general parking area. Observing the traffic flow for two days, I concluded that riding against this flow of traffic was inadvisable, and our entry route now "goes with the flow."




Part 3

Knoebel's to Steel Steeds.

This is a substantially shortened version of "Ride 3" from my October 19 post. Rather than a 3+ hour ride, this version is just over an hour. The two groups would travel together leaving Knoebel's, cross a couple of bridges together, then part company west of Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania. Please paste the following into a new page on your browser to display the route:

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Knoebles+Pkwy&daddr=Old+Reading+Rd+to:40.9516841,-76.451714+to:T409+to:40.9929085,-76.4722711+to:40.9777283,-76.5010081+to:Covered+Bridge+Rd+to:PA-405+N&hl=en&ll=40.93634,-76.578827&spn=0.406154,0.64064&sll=40.995577,-76.456861&sspn=0.050724,0.08008&geocode=FfbJbwIduKdw-w%3BFaLgcAIdvn9x-w%3BFYTfcAIdfnBx-ykRl8i6BojFiTG6WLjYnxxJfg%3BFZhTcQId_x5x-w%3BFYyAcQIdMSBx-ynJer70cX3PiTELyUQQHrevbA%3BFUBFcQId8K9w-ynfLE16J33PiTHjCspa5vELVg%3BFXoAcQIdCuJr-w%3BFSW9cAIdVyxr-w&vpsrc=6&mra=dvme&mrsp=4&sz=14&via=2,4,5&t=m&z=11

A – Knoebel’s
B – Hollingshead Bridge
C – Rupert’s Bridge
D – Rishel Bridge

On the map, note the turnaround west of Bloomsburg near Routes 11 and 42 where the two ride routes separate. This is the same interchange that was completely submerged from Tropical Storm Lee as shown on my September 9 post in the "Maxi Scoot Meetup/Rally September 2012" thread. Here it is again:



By the time we might get there, a year after, it would be interesting to note any remaining evidence of flooding from the tropical storm.
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2012, 02:38:43 PM »

Here are my written directions I will share with you all.

I do this as I have a photographic memory, once I read enough, I am good to go.

Part 1

1.  Turn right out of Steel Steeds follow 1.1 miles to 147, turn right.

2.  Follow 147 South 7.1 miles to 61, turn left
 
3.  Follow 61 East 2.0 Mile to Sawmill Road, turn left.

4.  Follow Sawmill Road 2.5 miles to Blackmill Road, turn left.

5.  Follow Blackmill Road 0.6 miles to State Route 4012, turn right.

6.  Follow State Route 4012 9.2 miles to Hwy 54(Market), turn right.

7.  Follow 54/Market 0.6 miles to 487(E Valley), turn left.

8.  Follow 487 (E Valley) 2.6 miles to Knoebels, turn (veer) right.

9.  Follow Knoebels Blvd 0.5 miles to unknown road, turn right.

10. Follow Unknown Road 0.2 miles to Campground Road, turn left.

11. Follow Campground Road 0.7 miles to Pine Swamp Road, turn right.

12. Follow Pine Swamp Road 0.5 niles to Cleveland Road, turn right.

13. Follow Cleveland Road 2.5 miles to Happy Valley Road, turn left.

14. Follow Happy Valley (veering right at .03 miles) 0.9 miles to All Saints, turn right.

15. Follow All Saints 0.7 miles to 54, turn left.

16. Follow 54 5.9 miles to 61, turn left.

17. Follow 61 (signs through town) 5.3 miles into Centraila.

 

Part 2


1.  Follow 42 North 8.2 miles ot Ringtown Mountain, turn right.

2.  Follow Ringtown Mountain 1.1 miles to Gobster Pond Road, turn left.

3.  Follow Gobster Pond Road 0.8 miles to Wagner Bridge Road, turn left.

4.  Follow Wagner Bridge Road 0.8 miles to Rarig Roadm turn left.

5.  Follow Raring Road 1.4 miles to Mill Road, turn right.

6.  Follow Mill Road 1.3 miles to 42, turn rught.

7.  Follow 42 1.7 miles to McIntyre Rd, turn left.

8.  Follow McIntyre Rd .02 miles to Shakespeare Rd, turn left.

9.  Follow Shakespeare Rd 1.0 miles to Queen City Road, turn right.

10. Follow Queen City Rd. 1.0 miles to Eisenhower Rd, turn right.

11. Follow Eisenhower Rd 0.2 miles to Ester Furnace Rd, turn right.

12. Follow Easter Furnace Rd. 0.5 miles to Ridge Rd., turn left.

13. Follow Ridge Rd 5.2 miles (note not really any turns but Ridge Road changes names 4 times here) to Happy Valley, turn right.

14. Follow Happy Valley 1.1 miles to Jepko Road, turn left.

15. Follow Jepko Road 0.8 miles to 487, turn right.

16. Follow 487 1.0 miles to  Knoebles Pkwy, turn right.

17. Follow to parking at Knoebles


Part 3

1.  Leave  Knoebles Pkwy to 487, turn right.

2.  Follow 487 6.3 miles to Mountain Road, turn right.

3.  Follow Mountain Road 0.6 miles to Old Reading Rd, turn left.

4. Follow Old Reading Road .05 miles to Sycamore Dr, turn left.

5.  Follow Sycamore Dr 0.7 miles to Main, turn right.

6.  Main becomes 42 follow 2.6 miles to Train Street, turn right.

7. Follow Train St follow 0.1 miles to T409, turn left.

8.  Follow T409  .01 miles to Fort McClure Blvd, turn left.

9.  Follow Fort McClure Blvd 1.0 miles to 11, turn right.

10.  Follow 11 0.3 miles to Anthony Ave, turn right.

11.  Follow Anthony Ave 1 block to Pine, turn right.

12.  Follow Pine 0.2 miles to 11, turn left.

13.  Follow 11 8.4 miles to 54, turn right.

14.  Follow 54 1.8 miles to 642, turn left.

15.  Follow 642 4.9 miles to 45, turn left.

16.  Follow 45 4.2 miles to Frederick Rd, turn left.

17.  Follow Frederick Rd 0.8 miles to Kreamer Rd, turn right.

18.  Follow Kreamer Rd (note this road will change names several times) 3.9 miles to Housels Run Rd, turn left.

19.  Follow Housels Run Rd 0.1 miles to 405, turn right.

20.  Follow 405 0.7 miles to Steel Steeds!! 
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2012, 02:42:28 PM »

While this ride seems like a lot of turns it is really easy once you look at the map, we are obviously making these turns to catch covered bridges.  It is important to note we are NOT stopping at every covered bridge.  It is very very important for us to stay together so no one gets lost.

We will essentially be in two groups, one lead by Steve and another myself.

I believe Steve has a bridge or two picked out where we will stop for a photo op.

If at anytime during ANY of the rides if you peel off that is AOK just please let someone know.  As a leader, I am very anal in always counting to insure we are together.
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2012, 12:18:01 AM »

Mimi and I will ride the three routes tomorrow, double-checking that all of the roads and covered bridges continue to be not only passable but reasonably safe for all riders. There were a few we were not able to confirm on the last visit.

I will look for some combination of rider parking area and photogenic covered bridges for the photo op and post them here. I am hopeful that no further changes are needed. As it stands now, we should be in the saddle between an hour to 90 minutes on each of the three rides, with the first ride (from Steel Steeds to Centralia) being the longest of the three. The breaks, one in Centralia and one at Knoebel's, between the three routes (not including the photo op stops) should be at least an hour.

[edited to make the last sentence a bit clearer (hopefully)]
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2012, 12:40:11 AM »

Attached is another story and four minute video from the BBC, less than a month ago, about Centralia:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19169021
We'll visit the location appearing at the 00:15 to 00:30 mark in the video. We'll need to park our rides and walk there.

Wikipedia also has a decent article about the history of Centralia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia,_Pennsylvania
I encourage those who will be on the ride to gain some knowledge of Centralia's history. My visits here were riveting, not entertaining.
When people understand and realize what Centralia used to be, I suspect it's often a powerful experience.
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2012, 01:37:03 AM »

Thanks, Steve and Mimi!!
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2012, 12:01:08 PM »

Departure time from Steel Steeds for the Saturday ride is scheduled for 8:00 AM. That should put us in Centralia by roughly 9:30. If we take an hour in Centralia before the ride to Knoebel's, our arrival time at Knoebel's is 11:30 AM. But no rush on our stops.
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2012, 01:23:30 PM »

Watched the video and read the story on Centralia.  Very interesting, sad, and kinda creepy.
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2012, 07:27:19 PM »

Mimi and I are in Catawissa, PA, the first town after leaving Knoebel's on the route back to Steel Steeds. We have been on the road, two up on the CBR250R, since 6:40 AM with only a couple brief stops. Now we've stopped for lunch. We have completed the test run of the first and second rides for Saturday.

The bad news is there are revisions to both of the first two routes. Nothing that can't be fixed and optimized, but I must sadly report several covered bridges on the intended routes are closed for repairs. Another is passable but the road on the approach side of that bridge was macadam, loose dirt and gravel on the other side as far as I could see. That one came off the ride list as well.

I'm working on the iPad right now, so no pictures or Google Maps yet, but the ride from Centralia to Knoebel's will need to be substantially redesigned. We have been making extensive notes but know we can make it work.
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2012, 07:30:08 PM »

Cool thanks, Steve!!
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2012, 09:04:42 PM »

Watched the video and read the story on Centralia.  Very interesting, sad, and kinda creepy.

Yes indeed. Another Gov'ment coverup?
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2012, 11:58:36 PM »

You would think with all of today's technology they could put out an underground fire somehow. I saw a documentary a while back and I'm really looking forward to visiting Centralia.
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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2012, 01:00:38 AM »

Back at home, after 352 miles and 11 hours on Scarlett. Thunderstorms rolled in less than a half hour after we arrived, so the return timing couldn't have been better.

Today was educational, informative... and frustrating...

This is Johnson Bridge, not far from Knoebel's. A fine looking bridge, and an enthusiastic navigator shows it off...



The road looks great on the approach side. Macadam, no gravel, no problems. Scarlett is ready to have at it...



We will need to be mindful of the wheel ramps on these bridges. Some have them and some don't...



And on the other side of the bridge... uh oh...



Not a very good road surface for street rides. Off the list came Johnson Bridge.

Parr's Mill Bridge is closed and under repair...



Same for Rishel Bridge...



On the bright side, I had wonderful company all day...



Mimi was very patient all day long as we stopped to retrace our path on several occasions and took notes necessary to redesign the ride routes. I'll post the new routes as soon as possible.
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2012, 01:55:05 AM »

1st Ride: Steel Steeds to Centralia (September 1, 2012 revision):
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=PA-405+S&daddr=N40+52.63+W76+30.33+to:40.8729044,-76.5143285+to:N40+52.05+W76+30.49+to:N40+50.85+W76+30.44+to:Centre+St&hl=en&ll=40.855111,-76.509647&spn=0.075177,0.164795&sll=40.862771,-76.510677&sspn=0.075168,0.164795&geocode=FfO8cAId5yxr-w%3BFW-8bwIdZJ5w-w%3BFcirbwId6Htw-ynL51I7bmHPiTGgXbyxAxB0cA%3BFayWbwId-ZNw-w%3BFYxIbwIdO5dw-w%3BFbCdbgIdHAxz-w&mra=dpe&mrsp=2&sz=13&via=2&t=m&z=13

Snyder Bridge [edited: this is actually Keefer Station Bridge; sorry for the error], not mentioned in my previous post, is closed. As a result, there is no need to travel through Sunbury and we can approach Elysburg via Danville.

Location B, Knoebel's Bridge, is in the park but not in the same area that we'll visit later, after the park opens. Remember, this part of the park gets crowded around opening time (11:00 AM) so I want to get there early. There is a triangular turn-around area; one of the legs of the triangle includes Knoebel's bridge. At that time of the morning, there is plenty of room to park and take advantage of a photo opportunity. Then we will reverse direction and go out the way we came in, long before the day visitors begin arriving.

Reversing our direction out of the park allows us to ride two covered bridges (Richard and Krickbaum) that were originally on the Centralia to Knoebel's (the 2nd ride) route. But with Parr's Mill Bridge and Johnson Bridge out of service or not safely passable, the original approach route to Richard Bridge and Krickbaum Bridget is blocked. You'll see the detour caused by the deletion of Parr's Mill and Johnson bridges when I post the 2nd (Centralia to Knoebel's) ride.
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2012, 03:22:15 AM »

Thanks a million Steve and Mimi!!
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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2012, 04:19:11 AM »

2nd Ride: Centralia to Knoebel's (September 1, 2012 revision):
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Centralia,+PA&daddr=N40+54.63++W76+26.40+to:N40+54.40++W76+27.59+to:Knoebles+Pkwy&hl=en&ll=40.865757,-76.413345&spn=0.150329,0.32959&sll=40.881074,-76.431885&sspn=0.150294,0.32959&geocode=FZ6fbgId6CJz-ynPxJT-vozFiTHDbnh_TuZ7Dw%3BFaQ-cAIdQJ5x-w%3BFasvcAIdx1Bx-w%3BFXXJbwIdkahw-w&mra=pr&t=m&z=12

The combination of covered bridge closures and moving two covered bridges to the first ride has dramatically reduced the time and distance of the second ride. Snyder Bridge (I erroneously referred to Keefer Station Bridge as Snyder Bridge in my previous post) is closed, eliminating the need to ride east of Route 42 and shortening this ride quite a bit. With Parr's Mill and Johnson covered bridges not available for use, and moving Richard and Krickbaum covered bridges to the 1st ride, the 2nd ride from Centralia to Knoebel's becomes a much shorter journey.

After Esther Furnace covered bridge at Location C, we will detour over to Route 487 and ride the normal route for entry into Knoebel's.
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2012, 04:42:18 AM »

Thanks for all your hard work to give us the best ride possible. 
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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2012, 05:27:48 AM »

Thanks a million Steve and Mimi!!

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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2012, 03:17:06 PM »

3rd Ride: Knoebel's to Steel Steeds (September 1, 2012 revision):
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Knoebles+Pkwy&daddr=Old+Reading+Rd+to:40.9516841,-76.451714+to:T409+to:40.9758481,-76.769493+to:PA-405+N&hl=en&ll=40.955271,-76.654358&spn=0.211058,0.445976&sll=40.934525,-76.649895&sspn=0.211124,0.445976&geocode=FfbJbwIduKdw-w%3BFaLgcAIdvn9x-w%3BFYTfcAIdfnBx-ykRl8i6BojFiTG6WLjYnxxJfg%3BFZhTcQId_x5x-w%3BFeg9cQIdK5ds-ykhzoD1vW3PiTGvpkRPLa-zoA%3BFSW9cAIdVyxr-w&mra=dpe&mrsp=4&sz=12&via=2,4&t=m&z=12

This ride, already substantially reduced because of the conditions we encountered in our first test ride earlier this summer, has one more adjustment. With Rishel covered bridge also closed, this ride actually drops to just about an hour.

Location C is Rupert's Bridge. This location includes a suitable parking and turn-around area to serve as our second photo opportunity stop. We'll cross this bridge, park our rides for the photo opportunity, then re-cross the bridge and continue on our way.
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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2012, 02:51:28 AM »

Photo Opportunity #1 - 1st Ride on Saturday (approximately 9:00 AM)
During the ride from Steel Steeds to Centralia, we will stop on one side of Knoebel's Park before it opens for a photo opportunity. In "Reply #13" of this thread, I mentioned a triangular turn around area and a location to stop and park. This is a photo of the covered bridge and the parking area. Taking this picture, I was standing in the amusement park. There is no entry fee at Knoebel's and no parking fee. It is strictly "pay as you play" or "pay as you eat" around here. The other "leg" of the triangle is to the right of the picture, but not visible due to structures and vegetation in the foreground. To the left is an access road to another part of the park that is closed to vehicular traffic except for service and supply vehicles.


The next picture is a close-up of the same bridge. We will ride through the bridge towards the camera, a slight downhill ride. Notice in this bridge there are no wheel ramps like those on Johnson Bridge. This makes it a better first bridge, as it will be the first of the day on the September 1 ride revision. Also notice on the other side of the bridge is the camping area. I'm not sure how much activity there will be next Saturday with the unofficial summer season ending, but it was packed full yesterday. Because of the road slope before and after the covered bridge, we may need to be a bit creative if we want to include our rides, as well as ourselves, in the photo opportunity at the bridge.
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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2012, 02:16:46 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2012, 07:38:57 PM »

Thanks Steve and Mimi, I loaded your route into my gps.  Appreciate all the legwork you guys have done!
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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2012, 03:24:14 AM »

Watched the video and read the story on Centralia.  Very interesting, sad, and kinda creepy.
Wow that was a wierd story? here in NC we have peat fires that last for decades , but they are slow burning and generally shallow, just smoldering pits really, in old growth forests near the coast, I saw 2 of them back in the late 70's...Rog
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