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« on: May 17, 2012, 01:01:21 PM »

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Maxi Scooter Comparison Chart Update


Maxi Scooter Comparison Chart Update
I have updated the older chart with new data.
I have projected/found rumors for the scooter pricing for the U.S.

MSRP - U.S. Dollars
2012 Yamaha Tmax 530 - $10,600
2012 Honda Integra 700 - $10,800
2012 BMW C 600 Sport - $12,600
2012 BMW C 650 GT - $13,000
2012 Aprilia SRV 850 - $11,400

Model(variator)------------HP----Weight----0-60--Fuel Economy
GP 800(jcosta)------------73hp---547lbs----4.5s---33mpg
Mana(stock)---------------75hp---490lbs----5.5s---43mpg
SRV 850(stock)------------76hp---548lbs----5.7s---38mpg
GP 800(stock)-------------73hp---547lbs----5.7s---37mpg
2012 Tmax(jcosta)-------47hp---468lbs----5.9s---44mpg (projected 0-60)
Tmax(jcosta)--------------44hp---489lbs----6.6s---44mpg
Silverwing 600(jcosta)---50hp---531lbs----6.9s---42mpg
Honda Integra 700(stock)51hp---524lbs----7.0s---65mpg
BMW C Sport(stock)------60hp---550lbs----7.1s---42mpg
2012 Tmax(stock)--------47hp---478lbs----7.2s---52mpg
Honda DN-01(stock)------53hp---603lbs----7.4s---44mpg
Burgman 650(stock)------55hp---613lbs----8.2s---42mpg
Silverwing(sock)----------50hp---531lbs----8.4s---45mpg
Tmax(stock)--------------44hp---490lbs----8.8s---50mpg
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2012, 01:40:47 PM »

That's some interesting data.  The jcosta seems to make an appreciable difference in the bikes.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2012, 01:45:43 PM »

It does on my little Bet & Win.. so I am sure it does on the big boys as well.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2012, 04:30:37 PM »

Interesting Maggie.  Thanks for sharing that.  One observation regarding that data is that the reported hp is measured at the crank not at the rear wheel, and a couple of those bikes have transmissions that are more efficient at transferring the power to the road than the CVT is. 

But for what it is worth, I have a 2009 Silverwing with the 22g Dr. Pulley Sliders instead of the J Costa.  I also have a power commander on it that was dyno tuned for my altitude, plus a K&N air filter, and a Leo Vince eshaust.  I live at 5600 feet above sea level, so you can predict the maximum hp will drop at least 18 percent, and sometimes I ride up to 14,000 feet, so you will see even more hp loss as you go higher.  The dyno chart shows that my bike made a maximum of 36 hp at the rear wheel.  As far as quickness goes, the bike "feels" about as quick as my 2007 did with the J Costa.  I estimate the 0 to 60 time is around 6.5 to 7 seconds. 

The J Costa was great for accelleration and smoothness, but my bike took a big hit on mpgs.  I averaged only about 42 mpg with the J Costa, but my current bike, set up like it is, has never gotten less than 50 mpg.  It averages right around 52 mpg and have seen as high as 59 mpg.
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2012, 10:42:27 PM »

Very interesting data, really opened my eyes to the performance and MPG of several scooters I was looking at. Those GP800's always had me interested along with several other maxi's. Was surprised with some of the low mpg's on several of the scooters, figured more of the 600cc range scooters would be able to break 50mpg barrier. I get 40mpg with my goldwing 2-up at 60mph, can get 47mpg with my old KZ1000P at 60mph. But riding is about fun not all MPG, thanks for posting the data very interesting stuff.
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2012, 09:20:47 AM »

I'd love to know how they figure the Burgman 650 weighs 613 lbs since my owner's manual says it weighs 525 lbs dry and I kind of doubt it takes 88 lbs of fluids. The Burgman 650's base price is $9,899 and the SilverWing's base price is $9,270. I'm surprised the Aprilia's not the most expensive either, being less than either BMW.

SYM has also entered the mega-scooter fray with the introduction of the Maxsym 600i but the weird thing about this one is, it's a single cylinder. http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/sym_maxsym_600i_abs_2012.php
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2012, 09:39:10 AM »

interesting info Maggie, thanks
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2012, 12:52:11 PM »

I'd love to know how they figure the Burgman 650 weighs 613 lbs since my owner's manual says it weighs 525 lbs dry and I kind of doubt it takes 88 lbs of fluids.

Motorcycle reviewers usually weigh bikes on a scale in a ready-to-ride state.  In the not so distant past most manufacturers published dry weight only which has lots of variables.

This is from Wikipedia -

"Dry weight
The dry weight of a motorcycle excludes some or all of the following: gasoline (or other fuel), engine oil, coolant, brake fluid or battery.
There is no standardized way to test the dry weight of a motorcycle. Inconsistencies will almost always be found between a motorcycle manufacturer's published dry weight and motorcycle press and media outlet's published dry weight. This is due to different testing techniques, differences in what is being excluded, and a lack of defining how testing was conducted by the organization doing the testing. A battery is typically excluded from dry weight by manufacturers but not always by media outlets. Some press and media outlets just exclude fuel to define their dry weight. For a typical sport bike, the difference between wet weight and manufacturer claimed dry weight is around 70 lb (32 kg).[4] This difference includes around 30 lb (14 kg) of gasoline, 7 lb (3.2 kg) of engine oil, 7 lb (3.2 kg) of coolant, and 9 lb (4.1 kg) of battery. These weights are even larger for bigger motorcycles with higher capacities, and attempting to compare the dry weights of air-cooled versus water-cooled motorcycles can be misleading.
Hydraulic fluid is not strictly speaking a lubricant, but it is a liquid that might be excluded during shipping. Thus it is not safe to assume that it is either included or excluded. Hydraulic fluid might only be found on a particular bike's front brake with a single line, or could be used on dual front brakes with two lines and one reservoir, plus maybe a rear brake with a reservoir, and also maybe in a hydraulic clutch with its own reservoir, adding a few ounces to a pound or two of uncertainty."


I'm not saying that figure is accurate but I wouldn't be surprised if there is an 88lb. difference.
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2012, 01:33:46 PM »

I'll have to look into the Integra.
Looks like it blows everything else
out of the water on mileage.
I assume there is a review here?
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2012, 01:41:30 PM »

I think John actually took their Burgman (when they owned one) to a weight scales and was indeed over 600 lbs.
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2012, 03:41:14 PM »

Several folks on the Burgman USA sight have weighed there 650s.  Most have reported they weigh between 620 and 630 lbs with full loads of fuel and fluids. 
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2012, 09:34:47 AM »

Well I guess the burgman is even heavier than I thought it was.
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2012, 07:29:39 PM »

I think John actually took their Burgman (when they owned one) to a weight scales and was indeed over 600 lbs.

I did, it was a scale at a metal recycling center. They use the scale to pay people for the metal they bring in, so I assume it is reasonably accurate. My 650 Burgman came to exactly 625 lbs.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2012, 09:32:29 PM »

Well I guess the burgman is even heavier than I thought it was.

I learned a long time ago not to trust weights provided by manufacturers of several kinds of vehicles.  In most cases it is to their advantage to report as low a weigh as possible so they use a mystical "Dry Weight".  Problem is there is no real definition of what that is and you could not use the vehicle in that state anyway so it is meaningless. 

Manufacturers of travel trailers and trailer boats are especially bad about that.  They show a stripped down weight and people think they can pull it with their current vehicle and buy it.  The reality is that when you put the stuff in it you need to actually use it then it may weigh 25% to 30% more and your tow vehicle is way over loaded.  The best bet is to take it to a scale and weigh it before you buy it.         
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2012, 10:06:50 PM »

I bet the SWings are more than 540(non abs) & 551(abs) like Honda states for "ready to ride" weight??
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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2012, 10:13:07 PM »

For motorcycles, 'Dry weight' often meant no oil in the forks, no brake fluid in the master cylinders, no electrolite in the battery (possibly no battery at all), no coolant, and of course...no fuel or motor oil.

I'll always remember the dry weight of my 1974 Suzuki GT750's was listed as 507 lbs by Suzuki, wet weight was shown to be 554 in the magazine road tests.
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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2012, 10:15:33 PM »

I bet the SWings are more than 540(non abs) & 551(abs) like Honda states for "ready to ride" weight??

'Ready to ride' might mean it's carrying just enough fuel to get to a station. My cynical nature leads me to believe it's not with a full fuel tank.
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« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2012, 09:39:21 AM »

I'll always remember the dry weight of my 1974 Suzuki GT750's was listed as 507 lbs by Suzuki, wet weight was shown to be 554 in the magazine road tests.

I don't understand why there is such a huge difference between your old Suzuki GT750's dry/wet weight and the Burgman 650. The difference on the GT750 was about 50lbs while the difference on Burgman is around 100lbs. 
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2012, 09:34:23 AM »

I thought I would tweak the mega-scooter info:

MSRP US $

2012 Honda Silverwing -      $9,270
2012 Suzuki Burgman 650 - $9,899
2012 Yamaha TMAX 530 -    $10,600
2012 Aprilia SRV 850 -         $11,400
2012 BMW C 600 Sport -      $12,600
2012 BMW C 650 GT -          $13,000

Make/Model-----------------HP----Weight----0-60--Fuel Economy

Aprilia SRV 850-------------76hp---548lbs----5.7s---38mpg
BMW C 600 Sport----------60hp---550lbs----7.1s---42mpg
Yamaha TMAX 530---------47hp---478lbs-----7.2s---52mpg
Suzuki Burgman 650-------55hp---613lbs----8.2s---42mpg
Honda Silverwing-----------50hp---531lbs----8.4s---45mpg
Yamaha TMAX 500---------44hp---490lbs-----8.8s---50mpg

I think the Yamaha and the BMW's are too expensive but the others are priced reasonably.


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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2012, 03:02:22 PM »

Suzuki Burgman 650-------55hp---613lbs----8.2s---42mpg

I so disagree with the MPG.  I consistently get over 50 mpg.   On out recent trip to Arkansas I got 55.2 mpg.  Not to mention I am not easy on a bike.

If I am using the scoot for urban riding it is lower at about 46mpg.

I am very anal (no more than 3,000 miles on any of my oils)  when it comes to fluids maybe that helps???  I changed my spark plugs every year regardless of mileage.
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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2012, 10:40:50 AM »

It's too bad the Kymco MyRoad 700i isn't available here. The irony is that the Myroad's own website says it's, "designed with the European and American markets in mind".  
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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2012, 03:31:35 PM »

I agree with Maggie on false mpg ratings.  I'm yet to get under 55 on my Silverwing as well.  I think they rate them low so people will be so impressed when they exceed it.  There was recently an actual lawsuit in which a woman won a large amount of money because her Honda Civic hybrid didn't do as well as stated on the window sticker.
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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2012, 09:05:26 PM »

^But did you buy your Silverwing new and start figuring out the mileage immediately? I think those MPG numbers may well be accurate because when my girlfriend first bought her SUV it got terrible mileage. Apparently that's common with new vehicles for some reason because i've spoken to others who have described the same thing. After a while the mileage improves, but with new scooters those numbers may be correct.  
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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2012, 03:52:06 PM »

I also dispute those mpg figures my srv850  averages 56mpg and i dont hang about ,uk gallon that is .
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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2012, 04:17:16 AM »

I agree with Maggie on false mpg ratings.  I'm yet to get under 55 on my Silverwing as well.  I think they rate them low so people will be so impressed when they exceed it.  There was recently an actual lawsuit in which a woman won a large amount of money because her Honda Civic hybrid didn't do as well as stated on the window sticker.


A large amount of money? She only won 9800 bucks and reports are she hasn't seen a dime of it yet.

http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=246520

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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2012, 04:18:35 AM »

nearly 10k is a lot to me?  Hopefully she won't see a dime!!
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