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« on: April 19, 2019, 03:30:11 PM »

I'm starting this list mostly for me but if/when y'all get a shot at this ride it may come in handy.
This is a work in progress.

Pro
* Noodoe has some neat features, best of which is the GPS map & Gas, Service, & Convenience store.
* I like the mirrors, they're straight glass "Items in the mirror aren't distorted!"
* I love the hand brake! Just under the left bar & off with a flick of the thumb.
* Comfortable seat.
* Good instrumentation.



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* Most of the Noodoe is more gimmick than anything else. Clock, temp, & analog speedometer could have been incorporated on the regular dash.
* The mirrors are great for passing but don't, really, show me what's crawling up my butt!
* Break not incorporated with the side stand.
* The oil filter is buried behind tupperware and a metal shield that, almost, makes it mandatory for pro service.
* Lack of wind protection for the lower body & legs.
* Fuel gage close to useless. Redlines at 10l of a 4.5l tank.
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2019, 08:10:18 PM »


* Break not incorporated with the side stand.


??? Do you mean ignition kill with the stand in the down position?
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2019, 09:29:11 PM »

Some bikes have the parking brake engaged when the kickstand is down. A pretty good idea but not common over here. Good to know about the maintenance access, makes me appreciate the easy access to oil and plug on the Reflex.
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2019, 06:20:04 AM »


* Break not incorporated with the side stand.


??? Do you mean ignition kill with the stand in the down position?

No, that's there but my SYM and X10 both activated the (a) back brake too. Quite handy.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2019, 06:25:16 AM »

Some bikes have the parking brake engaged when the kickstand is down. A pretty good idea but not common over here. Good to know about the maintenance access, makes me appreciate the easy access to oil and plug on the Reflex.

The drain plugs (there's 2?) and the access hole are very accessible but the filter is buried DEEP DEEP DEEP!
There is a filter screen in the drain so I'm looking into the composition of the filter. If it's not paper then it's not going to need changing every 5,000k (3,000 miles) which I think is AT LEAST way too soon for today's oils anyhow. 10 or even 15,000 miles would be more like it.
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2019, 02:35:55 PM »

The Reflex only has a screen which works very well. Had 2 specks when changed at break-in and been clean ever since. Probably right about your filter once you pass break-in which may be why Kymco made everything else more accessible. Sadly the only local dealer quit carrying them a couple of years ago. Locally just Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha to choose from since the Vespa, Piaggio, Sym dealer left the business. I guess the BMW dealer still carries them but they are not kept stock. Wish we had more to choose from since Europe seems to get some really great scooters we will never see.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2019, 05:49:43 PM »

Well, last weekend I was out tearing up the asphalt when my key electronic slipped out of my pocket and I didn't notice it until I got home.

Of all the info on that dash board (and it's a whole lot!) I never got any notice about the key going bye-bye.

Today I went to the dealer to get a replacement..........€705 ($790) because they NEED to change out the whole system and give me 2 new keys.

FOR SALE 2019 Kymco AK550!
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2019, 06:30:19 PM »

Ouch.
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2019, 12:03:20 AM »

Ah, but I just was browsing the KYMCO Espana website and found out that the AK550 engine/transmission assembly is actually unlike every other maxi out there: it is made in two distinct modular halves, which is much more compact, shortens the CV belt length, maximizes thermodynamic efficiency and separation, minimizes power loss and reduces internal pressure.
 


KYMCO has more than 45 new patents in the AK 550, mostly in the motor. The precision level of manufacturing is such that NO adjustment washers are used anywhere in the motor; it's all spot on.

BMW has the FlexCase and dozens of design failures, recalls and just shoddy manufacturing...

The difference? Taiwan Quality vs Mainland China Economics...





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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2019, 06:07:37 AM »

No doubt the AK is a serious piece of machinery but, finally, I'm realizing a trend here with Kymco than I really don't like. All this advanced tech and it didn't tell me about an expensive key going missing?? There's a Honda 125 that does that and it hasn't near as impressive a dashboard! Then there's other after market prices that, now, don't make sense except in an attempt to gouge the customer!

There's a little plastic separator for the storage compartment under the seat. €65 when I got the same thing for €8.5 from China. €105 windshield from Givi €165 for the EXACT same thing from Kymco and the list goes on.

There's no reason in the world that the onboard computer shouldn't have been screaming at me about the key going missing and €705 to replace the whole unit is just asinine. I don't like doing business with companies that treat their customers like this.

We're seeking a different solution, it is an RFI chip after all so, we'll see what the future holds but, as it stands, a Maxi-SYM 600 is starting to look good.

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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2019, 01:16:57 PM »

One of the things I looked for when I bought my Honda CTX was a key rather than a fob for this very reason. 4 dollar keys. That is just ridiculous that Kymco has no other solution.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2019, 03:06:30 PM »

My 2015 Tmax has a key fob also.
It's the overpriced answer to the question nobody asked.
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2019, 09:59:21 PM »

The oil filter access is definitely a negative for me. You mentioned 'almost' mandatory for pro service, perhaps a ray of light in the context of many maxi-scoots with easily accessible filters. $790 to replace a lost key... that hurts to read.
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2019, 07:06:59 AM »

The oil filter access is definitely a negative for me. You mentioned 'almost' mandatory for pro service, perhaps a ray of light in the context of many maxi-scoots with easily accessible filters. $790 to replace a lost key... that hurts to read.

Yea, if you don't have a lift I'd venture that removing all the tupperware and shielding would belong in the realm of contortionists or The Little People. An almost guarantee by Kymco to keep the cash flowing.
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2021, 05:09:59 AM »

I rode with another rider several years ago... well, actually we just happened to be riding down the same highway for some distance and both stopped at the same gas station to fill up.
Anyway, his cell phone slipped out along the ride and no one, including him, noticed until we stopped and it just wasn't there.
When you mentioned about the fob going bye bye along the road I was reminded of this guy. Problem is *HE WAS JUST WEARING LOOSE SHORTS WITH BAGGY POCKETS!* SO OF COURSE anything in those pockets while riding a sport bike like his, being all bent over as you have to be to ride those, will fall out without any coaxing at all. I just kept thinking "What did he honestly THINK would happen?" I mean, he was definitely NOT dressed properly for riding. Baggy shorts and a loose tshirt? Not at all smart aside from loosing the phone.

While reading your post about loosing the AK fob I was wondering if you really had it in a secure pocket?
I ride ATGATT and have zippers on my gear pockets. Anything I put in those pockets is NOT coming out even if I start riding upside down. Do you not secure things in your pockets so they cannot fall out? I'm always paranoid when riding that I'll loose something because a zipper was left open so I'm always checking all the zippers even just after I start out and am riding down the road. And I never put stuff as important as a key or fob or wallet or phone in any pocket that is not either very deep so things just can't slip out or that pocket must have a zipper if it's not deep enough. But that's just me.

I really don't mean to sound judgmental here about what you may or may not wear while riding or how you pay attention to what you carry on your person while riding. I understand very much that it is a personal choice thing. Every rider is different and has their own preferences for how they ride. It's just that when I read this I was beside myself about how I ride and secure what I carry and that this just wouldn't happen unless there was something really really wrong anyway. I also agree that it is really bad that the security system with the fob has to be completely replaced to resolve loosing a fob. Kymco should at the very least make the system flexible enough to be able to simply buy a new fob, just the fob, and have it programmed to work with the existing security module on the scooter. I really don't fault them for not having an alarm for when the fob goes missing. But then again, my Rav4 will chirp at me for just a little while if I turn it on and then walk away out of range. And that vehicle has no key hole nor key to insert into the ignition but it's just a "Start" button. Not all that different from the AK. Bigger vehicle and costs much more than the AK but still...

As far as only having a key starter that works with a cheap key... Any more that only really happens in the USA. I had a CTX1300 that had a simple key starter. But if I was in Europe or Australia or a different country my CTX1300 would have been equipped with HISS. That's Honda's chip enabled security system that disables the ignition switch unless a key with a special chip is put in the ignition switch. That chip enhanced key is rather pricey and not easy to obtain. But at least a new key with chip can be bought and programmed to work with the bike... or so I've read anyway.
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2021, 05:53:53 AM »

I admit that the pocket wasn't secure, obviously! The fault that it fell out is mine & I accept that but, the cheapest Honda will alert the rider if the fob goes missing! and 1,000 to replace a missing fob (whole new system) is really over the top. The onboard computer recognizes when the fob is close and turns on a light on the dashboard so the code is mostly there to alert when a fob goes missing.

My Piaggio had the chipped key you mentioned and a new/extra one cost 30.
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