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« on: July 26, 2020, 09:12:28 PM »

Any opinions about the Yamaha XMAX?
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2020, 10:42:11 PM »

If I needed to replace my Majesty it would be at the top of my list.  Compared to my Majesty it handles better, is pretty close in straight line performance and gets much better MPGs.  The seat is more comfortable but it doesn't have as roomy of a riding position.  Here in the USA there really isn't any direct competition.  The Burgman 400 costs way more and the Kymco Xtown300 isn't in the same ballpark performance wise.  Maybe if Honda brings the Forza 350 it will have some competition but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. 

My biggest complaint on the Xmax is that Yamaha has only offered one color per year in the USA and the last few years have been ugly.  Maybe 2021 will have a better color.

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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2020, 02:51:00 AM »

Although my preference on motorcycles and scooters is 15 inch or larger wheels, I probably wouldn't exclude the XMAX from consideration for its 14 inch rear wheel. Yamaha seems to have built a superb scooter and priced it reasonably. I'll stop short of saying the current color is ugly, but it's unattractive uninspiring.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2020, 07:24:45 AM »

I can't speak to the X-Max personally but there are a whole lot of them on the road over here.
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2020, 10:33:41 AM »

I've ridden the XMax 300, I took our local Yamaha dealers demonstrator out for an afternoon ride a couple of years ago. It ticked most of the boxes and the Yamaha Bluecore engine is a gem, although I wasn't so keen on the high seat height after a couple of miles of riding in stop go city traffic. On the open road it was really fun to ride, somewhat spoiled by the uncomfortable and what I thought unnecessary seat butt stop that prevented a feet forward riding position.

In fact my findings were pretty much the same as a friend of mine who rode the same demonstrator a couple of weeks later. Another big minus was the XMax 300's LED head lights, obviously I had to have the scooter back before the store closed so I couldn’t try them out, but UK long term owners of the XMax 300 have criticised them as being feeble for nighttime riding.

To sum it up, the new 2018 Honda Forza 300 was starting to appear in dealerships and had the bonus of an electric screen and no annoying butt stop, we both bought the Forza instead.
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2020, 11:39:25 AM »

I can't speak to the X-Max personally but there are a whole lot of them on the road over here.

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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2020, 01:07:51 PM »

On the open road it was really fun to ride, somewhat spoiled by the uncomfortable and what I thought unnecessary seat butt stop that prevented a feet forward riding position.

I had a chance to ride one last year.  I'm 6-2, 34" inseam, and didn't have any problem riding with my feet forward.  It had less legroom than my Majesty but it wasn't uncomfortable. 
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2020, 02:34:00 PM »

I really wanted to buy one. It seemed to check all the boxes for me, until I took a demo ride at the dealer. I didn't like the push button to start,instead of a key, but I might be able to get used to it. I found the seat to be uncomfortable and although I'm not a huge (240+/-) or tall(5-11) guy, the ergos were all wrong for me. No matter what I tried, it just didn't fit well. Maybe the seat could be adjusted back and down, but I felt it placed me too high and close to the bars for comfort. The bars can only be adjusted to two positions, neither which felt good to me. I know a lot of owners have replaced the seat with the available "comfort seat", but that's a somewhat pricey option.  If you can get comfortable on it, it can be a great ride, with good storage, good performance, and good gas mileage. It just didn't work for me.
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2020, 02:50:49 PM »

As I disliked the butt stop it would have been annoying to have bought a XMax 300 and have it pressing into my coccyx within a few miles of riding. This cosmetic lump wasn’t fitted to a previous years XMax 300 seat  that was also in the showroom and sat on to compare after my demo ride.

Thankfully Honda designed the new Forza's seat without a butt stop of any type and it's all the better for it.

Look on any maxi forum especially US orientated ones and there's numerous topics on removing butt stops, converting butt stops to back rests, so seat comfort is a personal thing and it's never one size fits all.

I wouldn't say the XMax 300 is a feet forward type of maxi scooter either, certainly not like the Silverwing I rode to and from the Yamaha dealers on. My Forza isn’t a feet forward maxi either as it's a more compact sportier maxi than the earlier version. I can ride semi feet forward but I gave up doing that within weeks, feet flat works better and I never feel the need to occasionally stretch my legs outboard like I used to riding feet forward on the Silverwing.















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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2020, 03:59:10 PM »

Thanks for all the responses. Sounds like I need to keep looking.
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2020, 07:18:57 PM »

If you fit on it, it's can be a great ride! For me, it was just a little too compact. I was much more comfortable on my old Majesty, but I had easily modified(lowered and removed butt stop) the seat on that to put my hips at a much more comfortable angle.
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2020, 08:57:59 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2020, 11:00:50 PM »

As if by sheer coincidence I came across a few old forum posts from British XMax 300 owners regarding it's LED headlights. None were complimentary about them.
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2020, 04:41:33 PM »

Yea,

I think if I get back into the big scoots a TMax, Silver Wing, or Burgman is the way to go. There's a 2015 Yamaha FZ1 on sale near where I work these days. Everybody here knows how much I love those. We'll see. COVID is making me think now is not the right time for any big purchases as I feel a reckoning in the market is coming. Yet, Big Scoot or motorcycle, they both hit a pleasure spot in the brain few other material things do.
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2020, 08:26:58 PM »

I had my Silverwing for six years, North America had the FSC version and the UK the FJS original versions. In 2009 Europe got the twin headlight and updated SW-T 600 and SW-T 400 Silverwings, Honda UK didn't import it and now that's been discontinued as well. It's Euro 3 engine apparently didn't make the cut for emissions.

The 650 Burgman was another that went the same way, they dressed it up for a couple of years and then discontinued it as well, and of course forum horror stories about transmission failures and the stopper bolt didn't help. It was a heavy old lump to haul about too. The Silverwing and big Burgman were once the big two for maxi riders, now they're just out of date when staked against the current 300's.

I don't miss big scooters or motorcycles at all, I was out riding today in rural North Yorkshire on what has been the hottest day of the year so far 93°F and it was glorious out riding on my Forza. I've ridden the same roads many times on the Silverwing and the Forza matches it on performance and has more nimble handling, and on such a hot day being able to lower or raise the screen height at the press of a switch was great.

I stopped and had a look in a motorcycle dealers showroom on the way home, they specialise in European bikes and afterwards I wondered why I'd bothered to stop at all. The rows of KTM's, Moto Guzzi's, Aprilia's etc didn't tempt me at all, and nowadays I'd struggle to throw my leg over an adventure bike even if I was interested. 😷



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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2020, 09:34:47 PM »

Wish we had the latest Forza here in the USA.
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2020, 10:49:19 PM »

Maybe you'll get the new Forza 350 instead, you already have the new Honda X-ADV 150 which isn't yet on sale in the UK or Europe.
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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2020, 05:19:43 AM »

I've owned a XMAX for a little under a year. The keyless ignition is awesome, when my bike got stolen and I had to go back to a key, it was a tough adjustment. Great performance and gas mileage on the XMAX. I consistently got 65-75 MPG depending on the time of the year. Lower in the winter. I got a comfort seat sent to me from the UK, it made all the difference in the world. I wish more accessories were available in the US. Heated grips were $125. I ride year around. Good wind protection. You can also move the handlebars so that they're farther away from the seat. I had my handlebars adjusted closer. I loved the bike. I just didn't have enough money to buy a new one again. I ended up with a Piaggio BV350. My first few months on the Piaggio, I hated it. I chose the XMAX because it is a cutting edge scooter. I also like the new Honda Forza, but I think the Yamaha is a faster bike.

I've owned Burgman 650 Exec, 650, Silverwing, Burgman 400 1st and 2nd generation. I couldn't pull the trigger on a 2018 Burgman 400, the Burgman 200 was too small. I also owned a KYMCO Xciting 500, People 200S, Bet & Win 250, the XMAX is the best scooter that I have owned. The people that stole it, couldn't get it started but canaballized all the parts. I was very sad.
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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2020, 02:03:17 PM »

The XMax 300 is 292cc to the Forza's 279cc, and the Yamaha Bluecore engine gives marginally more performance and torque, and is a bit more frugal. That's mainly down to Honda choosing to use an extensively reworked SH300 engine in the Forza. In real riding conditions I’d say you'd barely notice the difference.

Yamaha also offers a lot more accessories for the XMax than Honda does for the Forza, Yamaha seems to do that for all of it's models.

Not that I need to accessorise my Forza much, I changed my screen to a taller Givi, added the fixed Givi hand protectors that compliment the taller screen. I fitted the Givi rear carrier and a Monorack for my Givi E52 and I was done. I didn't want heated grips, the seat is all day comfortable, and there's a RAM Ball hidden beneath the centre handlebar cover ready to take my sat nav.
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