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Riding => Maxi Scoots => Topic started by: Steve_YYZ on August 01, 2018, 02:49:55 AM



Title: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: Steve_YYZ on August 01, 2018, 02:49:55 AM
Well it had to happen.... here come the Hybrid Scoots

Honda to market gas-electric hybrid bike from September

The PCX Hybrid, which relies on both an engine and a motor as power sources, is based on the PCX motorized scooter model with an engine displacement of 125cc.

Its fuel efficiency of 55 kilometers per liter of gasoline is not much different from that of an engine motorcycle, but the hybrid model allows smoother acceleration along uphill roads and in other situations.

http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201807280004.html (http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201807280004.html)

Now we just have to wonder about the availability of it over here, or if they'll also go hybrid on their larger displacement scooters or motorcycles.


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: redeye on August 01, 2018, 03:58:18 AM
Looks like an electric-only PCX is set for release in the Asian market as well...

link...   Honda Debuts Hybrid and Electric Scooters for 2018 (https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/honda-pcx-hybrid-electric-scooter/)

Interestingly, the article mentions a "detachable and swappable battery system," with similarities to the one mentioned in a Kymco Ionex thread on this site not long ago.



Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: Expat47 on August 01, 2018, 01:35:09 PM
Maybe, some day, when batteries can be made & disposed of "greener" and the electricity is produced "greener" but that day isn't here yet.


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: Murf on August 01, 2018, 02:58:22 PM
Really sounds like a Gigantic waist of time and weight.  While electric is smooth, the weight combined with a motor will kill it.  If you want smoother acceleration buy a twin cylinder motor.


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: Maggie on August 01, 2018, 05:20:46 PM
Until the range is better on a charge the electric motors are of no use to me.


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: alloo on August 02, 2018, 04:21:25 PM
In Europe, Honda has scooters that shut the engine down and restart on the twist of the throttle, just like cars do.


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: Maggie on August 03, 2018, 12:49:39 PM
THat's pretty cool


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: Expat47 on August 03, 2018, 01:54:19 PM
In Europe, Honda has scooters that shut the engine down and restart on the twist of the throttle, just like cars do.
I'll have to look into that when I get back home, but how much gas do you need to save if you're getting 70mpg already?


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: CelticCross on August 03, 2018, 07:24:46 PM
But is this done to save gas or lessen emissions?


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: redeye on August 04, 2018, 01:27:48 AM
But is this done to save gas or lessen emissions?

Was wondering the same thing about emissions. The articles I have read cite fuel savings, lower emissions, and noise. Likely more of an advantage in locations where stop-and-go traffic jams are common, less so on open stretches of road where many of us ride.

My other concern is whether many of us would be able to trouble shoot malfunctioning stop-start system in our garages.


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: Expat47 on August 04, 2018, 01:49:00 AM
But is this done to save gas or lessen emissions?

Was wondering the same thing about emissions. The articles I have read cite fuel savings, lower emissions, and noise. Likely more of an advantage in locations where stop-and-go traffic jams are common, less so on open stretches of road where many of us ride.

My other concern is whether many of us would be able to trouble shoot malfunctioning stop-start system in our garages.

Methinks that translates into "gymic".


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: Steve_YYZ on August 06, 2018, 12:17:21 AM
My other concern is whether many of us would be able to trouble shoot malfunctioning stop-start system in our garages.

Well.... all of us could diagnose the Stop part of it, but not many of us would likely get the Start part to work!  :rofl:


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: Expat47 on August 06, 2018, 04:00:46 AM
My other concern is whether many of us would be able to trouble shoot malfunctioning stop-start system in our garages.

Well.... all of us could diagnose the Stop part of it, but not many of us would likely get the Start part to work!  :rofl:

 :2tu:


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: Murf on August 06, 2018, 04:09:05 PM
I can imagine the stress the start and stop feature does to the engine.  Battery drain, starter/flywheel wear, starting your vehicle is the hardest thing a motor does.  Not sure the benefit in the long run.  I think its a way for California to scam out the snobby people's money   


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: shyted155 on October 14, 2018, 04:55:29 AM
I don't know if the stop start feature stresses the  engine. My friend's Honda PCX 155 scooter is 4 years old done over 50,000 kms on it, only replaced the battery once on it ( very minuscule ) and still going strong. He uses the stop start feature in traffic everyday ( its his daily commute 30kms each way) and gets around 45kms a litre.


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: jpowell692 on October 14, 2018, 06:48:57 PM
I remember taxis in Germany doing that at stoplights in the mid 60s


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: pallettman on October 15, 2018, 04:29:50 AM
If my calculations are correct, 55 KM/liter is equal to 130 MPG. I would be interested in that.


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: Expat47 on October 15, 2018, 06:20:21 AM
There are @3.8l in one US gallon. That makes it about 209MpG.


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: bandito2 on October 15, 2018, 08:13:38 PM
Using conversion values from some web pages that can use numbers out to 14 decimal places,
the precise calculation comes out to 208.19764 MPG... Even so, 209 MPG is close enough even
if being optimistic an an infinitesimal way. That, since even the 55 Km/L may not be an exact figure.


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: Expat47 on October 16, 2018, 05:31:03 AM
When you're in the men's room with the fate of the world in your hand and you cast your eyes downward and, there, on the white shelf are the little letters that emphatically proclaim "3.8lpf". Hence my quick, albeit approximated, conversion.  :2tu:


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: Cube on October 16, 2018, 09:57:56 PM
The site I used lists 55 km/l works out to 129.3680 mpg(us)

As reference, my vanilla PCX gets 105-110 mpg

https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-fuelconsumption-from-kmperl-to-mpg.html?val=55 (https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-fuelconsumption-from-kmperl-to-mpg.html?val=55)


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: Expat47 on October 17, 2018, 05:06:40 AM
Dho!!!!  :head: You're right! I computed KpG!
I swear! I've got to quit trying to thinking before I've had my coffee.  :hs1:


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: bandito2 on October 17, 2018, 07:20:13 AM
Dho!!!!  :head: You're right! I computed KpG!
I swear! I've got to quit trying to thinking before I've had my coffee.  :hs1:

UGGH!!! Double DOH!! Me too. Therefore, the correct... er um, more correct calculation comes out to 129.36797 MPG
which is 1.9008 inches less per mile than the figure given by Cube.
 =; :no:
wait   what?

you're right, it has been an exercise in the ridiculous... sorry about :deadhorse:



 :b2t:


Title: Re: Here comes Honda's Hybrid Scooter......
Post by: minimac on October 17, 2018, 05:00:42 PM
I think you guys have waaay toooo much time on your hands!