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Title: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: JBCrabbypants on April 10, 2018, 12:14:45 AM
When a dealer offers a trade-in value only $250 less than I'd sell the bike outright for, it gets my attention, and for some reason I don't understand, the ZX14R is $190 less annually to insure than the smaller-engined, less raw horsepower, and only slightly more money to buy, BMW S1000R I was seriously considering.

(https://s31.postimg.org/6zl391gjb/2018-_Kawasaki-_Ninja-_ZX-14_R-_ABS-_SE2.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6zl391gjb/)


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Maggie on April 10, 2018, 02:29:53 AM
That looks sharp!


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: freak on April 10, 2018, 03:12:03 PM
LOve it !!!!!


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: redeye on April 10, 2018, 05:20:28 PM
You youngsters and your crotch rockets... Very Happy  Go for it!


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Greg on April 10, 2018, 05:41:11 PM
The ZX14R is supposed to be a very good, all around motorcycle.  Loads of fun, good for long distance, and affordable.  Good looking, too.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: EZMark on April 10, 2018, 06:55:43 PM
Is that the color you were hot after?


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: JBCrabbypants on April 10, 2018, 06:59:15 PM
Is that the color you were hot after?

Not at all, but it's what they have. I can get used to it.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: JBCrabbypants on April 11, 2018, 07:21:57 AM
It's a 'done deal', ended up trading-in BOTH the Indian Vintage and Honda Shadow Aero on the new Kawasaki. Bringing it home tomorrow.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: EZMark on April 11, 2018, 08:58:09 AM
It's a 'done deal', ended up trading-in BOTH the Indian Vintage and Honda Shadow Aero on the new Kawasaki. Bringing it home tomorrow.
Well, noone can accuse you of being one dimensional on your motorcycle purchases.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: redeye on April 11, 2018, 02:46:30 PM
My recollection is you parted with your prior ZX-14 with more regret than other motorcycles you have owned and written about on this forum. Trading the Indian Vintage came as no surprise. Trading the Honda Shadow Aero was a bit more of a surprise, but overall, another chapter in your motorcycle ownership adventures.

We view motorcycling from two different perspectives in short-term vs. long-term ownership, but that's part of the pleasure. Best wishes for many happy miles on your new ride!


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: minimac on April 11, 2018, 03:36:37 PM
I give it a year, at best. :) I'm sure you'll enjoy it, though. It will make a nice companion to a scooter, in which case it might be a keeper!


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Dan on April 11, 2018, 06:54:09 PM
Congrats and have fun with it!  Love to hear a Crabbypants review at some point.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: AKforza on April 11, 2018, 07:57:24 PM
Congrats JB pics please!


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: JBCrabbypants on April 13, 2018, 08:23:14 PM
Congrats and have fun with it!  Love to hear a Crabbypants review at some point.

It will have to wait, the deal 'fell through' over a $500 discrepancy, an unexpected complication that had me returning home, still on the Indian. It was so close, that the Kaw was at the curb, serviced, gassed, and warmed up, just awaiting the temp paper plate, and the Indian was already moved inside to the sales floor. It's my credit union's error, not the dealership. The credit union told me that I would need to put $980 cash into the deal, and I brought $1000 with me, besides the credit union's check for the dealer. But, by the dealer's calculations, I would need something over $1450 to make it all work. I balked at that, and simply stopped the deal at that point, had them bring the Indian back outside, and went home.

Something is still likely to happen, but since then, I'm pretty certain I'll not trade the Honda in along with the Indian for the Kaw, and make a new deal with only the Indian as trade material. I really like that old Honda Aero, and would miss it too much to so easily get rid of it.
 
(https://s31.postimg.cc/diqdst4wn/IMG_20180411_121948862_HDR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/diqdst4wn/)

 
(https://s31.postimg.cc/7uk31yikn/IMG_20180411_120808004_HDR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7uk31yikn/)

It's not entirely dead yet, however, but the next 'window of opportunity' for this transaction won't be until April 28-30.



Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Greg on April 14, 2018, 05:52:09 PM
Sorry the deal fell through.  There will be other deals, I'm sure.  Same thing happened to me several years ago when I was going to purchase a BMW R1100GS.  The bike was prepped, battery charged, and I was ready to go through with the deal, but then the dealer added some extra charges that bumped the price up too high, so I backed out.  Too bad, as I really liked that bike.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Dan on April 14, 2018, 10:29:48 PM
Well that stinks. Better luck next time.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: JBCrabbypants on April 15, 2018, 08:13:16 PM
Well that stinks. Better luck next time.

I still might get the trade done towards the end of the month.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: sailingskier on April 15, 2018, 10:00:35 PM
Best not to rush and not be forced into an up-sell that you may come to regret.  It is not like you have to make a deal ... so it will be on your terms.  Not the dealers.  The want to make a sale more than you want (or need) the buy.  Do they know your handle on here?  Let them know that nobody takes advantage of  Mr. Crabbypants !  Good luck with this JB.  It is great to be in the driver's seat for something like this.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: JBCrabbypants on April 15, 2018, 10:14:57 PM
If I was rushed, I would have just come up with another $500 and rode out on the new bike.

The dealer is more than fair in their trade-in numbers, the fault for the last minute screwup lies with my credit union not getting their numbers right.

 


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: minimac on April 16, 2018, 05:09:53 PM
This isn't necessarily a bad thing. You now have time to make sure it's not an impulse buy, only to experience some buyers(or sellers) remorse later. You're lucky to have a dealer that is easy to deal with. It seems every time you walk in there, something strikes your fancy and follows you home!


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: JBCrabbypants on April 17, 2018, 01:51:23 AM
I'm starting to be a bit concerned about buying extremely fast and powerful motorcycles. I can't behave myself on Teresa's 125 hp1200 BMW, much less a 200 hp hyperbike.

I rode her BMW up to Deadwood for coffee today, mostly because I was running late, and it has heated grips. I ran the twenty-five miles up to Sturgis at 85-90 mph, then the ten remaining miles through Boulder canyon at 70-90 mph. I made it up there in record time, and only rode up behind an unseen highway patrol car once on I-90. Luckily for me, he either didn't notice my closing speeds, or just didn't want to bother with me right then.

I don't ride like a crazy bastard, but I do like to zip along when I can. 


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Maggie on April 17, 2018, 03:35:32 PM
It was a sign :-)


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: redeye on April 17, 2018, 05:27:05 PM
I really like that old Honda Aero, and would miss it too much to so easily get rid of it.

Glad to read you are reconsidering the Honda trade.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Carol on April 17, 2018, 06:20:50 PM
I had the same thing happen years ago - had signed papers, had the title, was going to pick up bike on Sat.  Friday dealer called me.  He had offered zero interest from manufacturer.  We had done the deal on the first of the month and the manufacturer offer expired at the end of the previous month, so dealer talked to local bank who wouldn't honor the deal.  We couldn't come to agreeable terms, so I said no thanks. Problem was, we had already signed the manufacturer certificate and all the paperwork.  I didn't want to give them the cert with my name on it, and wouldn't get a title for a bike that I didn't own.  After talking with DMV and attorney, I kept the certificate and told them to get a new one.
Went on to get a different bike. 
A couple years later I meandered into dealer, saw bike, not realizing it was the same one.  I test rode and really liked it.  I went home to think about buying it.  All of a sudden I remembered the previous incident and realized it was the same bike.  The dealer couldn't do anything because he didn't have a certificate/title.  I still had it and the only miles on the bike were from my test ride.  We made a deal and I bought the bike.  When it came time to finalize the paperwork the dealer came clean that he didn't have a certificate/title, but would go to DMV with me.  Not sure if he realized I still had the original docs still.  I came clean after the paperwork was signed.

I ended up with a brand new two year old bike costing several grand less than it would have cost new.  And t was financed at zero interest.  He was happy to get rid of the bike and I was happy to have a new bike.  No problems at DMV.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Greg on April 20, 2018, 05:48:28 PM
I had the same thing happen years ago - had signed papers, had the title, was going to pick up bike on Sat.  Friday dealer called me.  He had offered zero interest from manufacturer.  We had done the deal on the first of the month and the manufacturer offer expired at the end of the previous month, so dealer talked to local bank who wouldn't honor the deal.  We couldn't come to agreeable terms, so I said no thanks. Problem was, we had already signed the manufacturer certificate and all the paperwork.  I didn't want to give them the cert with my name on it, and wouldn't get a title for a bike that I didn't own.  After talking with DMV and attorney, I kept the certificate and told them to get a new one.
Went on to get a different bike. 
A couple years later I meandered into dealer, saw bike, not realizing it was the same one.  I test rode and really liked it.  I went home to think about buying it.  All of a sudden I remembered the previous incident and realized it was the same bike.  The dealer couldn't do anything because he didn't have a certificate/title.  I still had it and the only miles on the bike were from my test ride.  We made a deal and I bought the bike.  When it came time to finalize the paperwork the dealer came clean that he didn't have a certificate/title, but would go to DMV with me.  Not sure if he realized I still had the original docs still.  I came clean after the paperwork was signed.

I ended up with a brand new two year old bike costing several grand less than it would have cost new.  And t was financed at zero interest.  He was happy to get rid of the bike and I was happy to have a new bike.  No problems at DMV.

A marriage made in heaven, as my friend, Steve likes to say.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Greg on April 20, 2018, 05:53:42 PM
I'm starting to be a bit concerned about buying extremely fast and powerful motorcycles. I can't behave myself on Teresa's 125 hp1200 BMW, much less a 200 hp hyperbike.

I rode her BMW up to Deadwood for coffee today, mostly because I was running late, and it has heated grips. I ran the twenty-five miles up to Sturgis at 85-90 mph, then the ten remaining miles through Boulder canyon at 70-90 mph. I made it up there in record time, and only rode up behind an unseen highway patrol car once on I-90. Luckily for me, he either didn't notice my closing speeds, or just didn't want to bother with me right then.

I don't ride like a crazy bastard, but I do like to zip along when I can. 

JB, I'm with you here.  There was a time when I liked to rally zip along.  Toward the end of my riding career I started simmering down and tempering my riding style a bit.  I still liked to charge the curves, but found that my attitude had change from how fast I could take a corner to how fast I could take a corner well.  I began concentrating on skill and technique, and found that doing a corner in the best, yet safest manner was still fun and exciting.  I doubt that would change if I ever started back riding again.  Oh, and as I got older I decided that my reaction times were probably not as good as they were several years ago, so I guess it was a matter of erring on the side of caution and safety.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: JBCrabbypants on April 21, 2018, 09:45:09 AM
It's now between the ZX14, or a new Moto Guzzi Eldorado...

(https://s31.postimg.cc/twonnysvr/original-36400-3692-2015-06-16-09.47.55.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/twonnysvr/)

or possibly a...............?


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Dan on April 21, 2018, 12:46:04 PM
I like Guzzi's.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Maggie on April 22, 2018, 02:35:43 AM
I love Moto Guzzi's!!


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: JBCrabbypants on April 26, 2018, 05:19:10 AM
Guzzi is 'out'.

A new development in the BMW S1000R situation is that there may now be a $1500 rebate program applicable to this bike, which if verified tomorrow, will almost certainly put the Beemer in the #1 spot once again, winning out over the Kawasaki.

I'll know which way it goes by Friday at the earliest, Monday afternoon at that latest.

(https://s31.postimg.cc/yeq314xx3/s1000r-design.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/yeq314xx3/)


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: EZMark on April 26, 2018, 05:30:43 AM
That Beemer's got like 200 horsies doesn't it?


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: JBCrabbypants on April 26, 2018, 06:57:36 AM
That Beemer's got like 200 horsies doesn't it?
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No, only 165, but it weighs 453 'wet', compared to almost 600lbs for the 'wet' ZX14R.

The S1000R is the slightly detuned 'naked bike' version of the BMW S1000RR sportbike, which is rated at 199 hp.

However, the much lighter BMW S1000R's hp/weight ratio is slightly better than the Kawasaki's, making it equally fast in acceleration up to maybe 120 (0-60 in 2.8 seconds), about where the more aerodynamic, faired, ZX14 will overpower the BMW and start to leave it behind. But, like most, I spend very little time riding at, and above, 120 mph, so who really cares?


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Dan on April 26, 2018, 01:17:10 PM
Guzzi is 'out'.

A new development in the BMW S1000R situation is that there may now be a $1500 rebate program applicable to this bike, which if verified tomorrow, will almost certainly put the Beemer in the #1 spot once again, winning out over the Kawasaki.

I'll know which way it goes by Friday at the earliest, Monday afternoon at that latest.

(https://s31.postimg.cc/yeq314xx3/s1000r-design.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/yeq314xx3/)


Ha!  :rofl:  Didn't you recently post something about Teresa's R1200R being too fast!?

Those are amazing bikes, the only negative that I've read about is that the motor makes a crazy amount of handlebar buzz at certain rpm's.  Maybe it was only with a specific model using that engine.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: realbtl on April 26, 2018, 04:55:12 PM
This sounds a lot like my GSX-S1000, #460 and only 140 hp, 0-60 in low 3 sec. range,  Sounds like fun.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: JBCrabbypants on April 26, 2018, 06:48:49 PM
Guzzi is 'out'.

A new development in the BMW S1000R situation is that there may now be a $1500 rebate program applicable to this bike, which if verified tomorrow, will almost certainly put the Beemer in the #1 spot once again, winning out over the Kawasaki.

I'll know which way it goes by Friday at the earliest, Monday afternoon at that latest.

(https://s31.postimg.cc/yeq314xx3/s1000r-design.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/yeq314xx3/)


Ha!  :rofl:  Didn't you recently post something about Teresa's R1200R being too fast!?

Those are amazing bikes, the only negative that I've read about is that the motor makes a crazy amount of handlebar buzz at certain rpm's.  Maybe it was only with a specific model using that engine.

From what I've read, BMW supposedly 'addressed' the handlebar vibration issue with the 2017 model year. I don't know how successful that effort was, but it's probably not as annoying as previous S1000's we're.

As for it being an irresistible hooligan bike, it would likely be even more seductive than Teresa's R1200R in that regard. Everything about this particular BMW fairly screams "ARREST ME...PLEASE!!!"

So, it will almost certainly challenge my already shakey grasp on responsible riding, but to own and enjoy such a magnificently powerful and competent machine is worth the potential for a little jail time here and there, and remember, it does take the 'geezer factor' into account too, providing cruise-control and heated grips for us oldsters.





Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: JBCrabbypants on April 28, 2018, 05:21:20 AM
I now have an almost certain buyer for my Honda Shadow Aero, it should be finalized on Monday.

The scales are now tipping more and more in the direction of the BMW, though the Kaw dealer is scrambling to find some factory promo money to sway me back to the ZX14R, but it's hard to turn away from all the nice features of that German bike.

 


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Dan on April 28, 2018, 12:12:16 PM
JB, have you owned a ZX14 before?


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: JBCrabbypants on April 28, 2018, 02:04:38 PM
JB, have you owned a ZX14 before?

Yes, a first generation 2007, about five years ago.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Dan on April 28, 2018, 02:08:08 PM
JB, have you owned a ZX14 before?

Yes, a first generation 2007, about five years ago.


Well then, the BMW would be a new experience.  At least that's how my mind works.  Of course I'm the dope who bought a Versys after owning a Ninja, which share the same motor.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: JBCrabbypants on May 02, 2018, 12:42:24 PM
I drop off the Indian, and bring home the BMW tomorrow morning (Wednesday).

I'm also having sick thoughts about possibly selling the Guzzi V7, and picking up a used ZX14R or Hayabusa.

Power corrupts.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: redeye on May 02, 2018, 04:36:07 PM
I drop off the Indian, and bring home the BMW tomorrow morning (Wednesday).

With some residual skepticism of the deal going through based on recent history, I congratulate you on the Indian for BMW transaction.


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Dan on May 02, 2018, 04:55:05 PM
I drop off the Indian, and bring home the BMW tomorrow morning (Wednesday).

I'm also having sick thoughts about possibly selling the Guzzi V7, and picking up a used ZX14R or Hayabusa.

Power corrupts.

Cool beans!  Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the new ride, that is, if the power doesn't go to your head!


Title: Re: Today's possible new bike purchase.
Post by: Greg on May 02, 2018, 05:58:10 PM
I drop off the Indian, and bring home the BMW tomorrow morning (Wednesday).

I'm also having sick thoughts about possibly selling the Guzzi V7, and picking up a used ZX14R or Hayabusa.

Power corrupts.

Cool beans!  Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the new ride, that is, if the power doesn't go to your head!

We might have to wait for a post until his eyeballs roll back to the front so he can see!!